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Do an Unfair Number of Rail Projects Go to Minneapolis, West Metro?

The Pioneer Press reported that some east metro legislators say their regions are being left out of rail plans. Patch wants to know what you think.

Most of the recent debate over rail has been between those who want to spend more money on light rail and those who prefer spending the money on roads and buses.

On Sunday, though, the Pioneer Press had a look at a light issue that hasn’t garnered as much attention: Is the east metro getting its share of rail projects?

The paper notes that St. Paul’s only rail line right now is Amtrak and that the city is on track to add just one light rail line, the Central Corridor Light Rail line running between Minneapolis and St. Paul. Minneapolis, on the other hand, could someday be the starting point of the Hiawatha, Southwest, Bottineau, Central Corridor and Northstar lines.

Some east metro legislators say that’s not fair. State officials and Hennepin County commissioners counter that lines require a certain amount of density to work and that previous east metro rail proposals fell through because of neighborhood opposition.

Click here to read the full Pioneer Press story.

Patch wants to know what you think. Does it makes sense to concentrate so much of the metro’s rail projects west of the river or should the state give our neighbors on the east side more rail options? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

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Matthew Kilanowski January 28, 2013 at 07:06 pm
It's not unfair at all. High capacity transit, like rail, is most cost effective in higher density areas. Hennepin County has more than twice as many people as Ramsey (still more than Ramsey and Washington combined) and 6 of the 10 most populous cities in the metro area are in Hennepin (Coon Rapids is also in that top 10, served by Northstar and also on the West side). Call them "Twin" Cities all you want, the fact of the matter is that there's just more people to be served on the Minneapolis side.
This "unfairness" even rang true back when the privately run streetcars were criss-crossing the metro area (map here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/txu-oclc-6445490-electric_railway-minneapolis-st_paul-1913.jpg ). Twin Cities Rapid Transit went where the money was, and in transit the money is where the people are. As populations grow and suburbs become more dense and roads become choked with busses (Have you seen how often busses go by on University? Yes, that road needs something higher capacity to move all those people!), then we can expand rail service. People can crow all they want about St. Paul getting the short end of the stick, but until there's more density and more demand on that side of the metro then there's no point in wasting our money on underutilized transportation projects. These systems don't get built in a day, and they'll get built where they're needed most first.
James Warden (Editor) January 28, 2013 at 07:08 pm
That map you linked to is sweet, although I wonder how the University of Texas came to have it in its archive.
Matthew Kilanowski January 28, 2013 at 08:25 pm
No idea why Texas has it. And that's not even the full system, the map is from around 20 years before the peak build-out.
If I get a moment, I'll flip through my copy of Twin Cities by Trolley. I'm pretty sure that the book lists the most profitable streetcar lines, and I'm also sure that the light rail lines currently in the works generally follow the most profitable lines from the old system. Even a century ago it made more sense to invest more into transit on the Minneapolis side of the metro.
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James Warden (Editor) June 17, 2013 at 05:44 pm
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Cathi Hansen June 18, 2013 at 01:13 pm
What area of Hopkins? That might help narrow down the area to look in....
Mary Ellen Dower June 8, 2013 at 10:48 am
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Mary Ellen Dower June 8, 2013 at 11:13 am
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Orono June 7, 2013 at 02:29 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This guy is closer to communist than he is to democrat.
Orono May 21, 2013 at 08:53 pm
Mike B. The liberal belief system puts the job of caring for the needy on the government. JesusRead More said, love thy neighbor as thy self. I do a very poor job of loving my neighbor but the one thing I do try and do is give back. My wife and I give between 15 and 17% every year. We have been blessed with financial success and try keep that in mind every day. Also though, we give ourselves. Giving yourself to a cause is better (in my opinion) than just giving money. We give money because we can, we give our time because we should. I have a few liberal friends working beside me for our causes but, in general, the majority of us are all conservatives. Mark Dayton is a classic example of how the liberal mind works. Give the government the money, let them deal with those losers.
Mike B. June 1, 2013 at 03:29 pm
The Democrats are 100% responsible for increasing poverty in the state. Dayton and his DemocratRead More lackeys and cronies are driving out all of the job producers in Minnesota with their socialist, anti-business policies.
Sue June 5, 2013 at 09:14 am
Consider this- the (unelected) Met Council controls everything from parks, to trails, to transit, toRead More waste water. If a city wants to do anything they have to work with the Met Council and one of the FAVORITE expectations is that cities ADD "AFFORDABLE" or - Section 8 housing. While the recession hit the suburbs hard - the biggest influx or poor - are the indigenous poor into free housing
mike savick June 9, 2013 at 09:46 am
"Mike B" continues to look in the mirror and post about others. Emails show the Mr.Read More Hindin offered to produce his Minnesota drivers license at any west metro police station. The compulsively dishonest Mike B thing declined.
Michael Hindin June 9, 2013 at 10:03 am
Mike B. posted June 8, 2013 at 08:58 pm "The best one can hope for is that the jewishRead More (sic)person and the muslim (sic) will tolerate one another. Hard to tell what side is most at fault. Can't say I trust either one.... neither has what we would call Western Civilization values. "......NEITHER HAS WHAT WE WOULD CALL WESTERN CIVILIZATION VALUES"??? (Capitalization for emphasis) Without the contributions of Jews and Arab Muslims you would be still in the Dark Ages worshiping golden cows and there wouldn't be your version of "western civilization" Do I really have to remind you of a Jewish carpenter. Bearing false witness is prohibited by all Abrahamic religions.
Corinne June 10, 2013 at 05:25 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling
Orono June 3, 2013 at 02:18 pm
I totally agree with both points. Republicans have zero business deciding social issues. Democrats,Read More as Mark Dayton just proved, have zero business deciding important adult decisions that deal with finances and taxes.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:07 pm
Orono. You seem to assume my on-line fight for equal rights is a reflection of my entire life. ItRead More isn't. I've missed a few days, as I was kayak camping, without electronics. It also seems you are repeating the mistake of comparing atrocities, and then dismissing as irrelevant the one that seems less severe. This misses the point that no atrocities are acceptable. As I have stated repeatedly, all religions, as well as non-religious belief systems, promote the Golden Rule. Different sects of all of those religions also find excuses to ignore it. No matter what the belief system claimed as an excuse for anti-gay prejudice, refusing to treat others as you would yourself is a violation of every major ethical belief system, as well as a violation of the promise of equality in our founding documents and required by the constitution. Any person who espouses any belief system that requires hating and harming others, has earned the label of "hater". Having a belief system is not a virtue when it requires harming others. Yet, again, not all prejudice requires hate. It may be a result of a lack of careful consideration of the information, or simply a distrust of others who seem different in some way.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:08 pm
Orono. You said: "I hate liberalism." We have stated you are free to hate if and as youRead More want. But neither you, me, nor MB should be allowed to use hate as a justification for refusing to treat others as you would yourself under the law. MB makes it clear, he would use the law to harm all gay people severely, based on his hate.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:28 pm
Donald. Again, you resort to mischaracterizing Joyce's comment in order to support your desire toRead More reinstate discrimination in the public square. Tyrannies result when discrimination based on your choice of being offended, is allowed under the law. This is the reason the Golden Rule is found in every major ethical belief system as well as a requirement of our system of government. Your desire to harm others based on your personal beliefs, does not extend to the public square. Again, segregation is only one of many examples of the atrocities that result when prejudice and discrimination are enshrined in the law. As you said yourself, the law is needed for protection of equal rights when someone is offended, not when they are not.
Mike B. June 9, 2013 at 07:17 pm
Sure Susan, attack the conservatives. If you comment in the Minneapolis Red Star, you'll getRead More published, as they smear patriotic, Christian Americans, and give liberals a free ride.
Susan June 9, 2013 at 07:25 pm
Mike B., you must really be bored if you had to come back to this... I attack the ideology andRead More people that want to decide for everyone how they should live their lives. You know, those who would condemn or persecute those wanting something different that, BTW, is granted to them by way of living in a free country. It's time to try some new material, Mike, this is really getting old and tired.
fb.com/WCwatchdog June 16, 2013 at 03:42 am
I ride a sport bike... can I also have 130 miles of track to ride on in Woodbury like the bikers?...Read More oh wait... that's right, I have to put my bike in my truck, drive 130 miles to the nearest track, pay $150 in track fees, just to ride... Bicyclists, you don't know how good you have it with your completely free paved bike paths.
Michael Hindin May 23, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Simple answer G Wright is that "Mike B" manufactures it. IT has PATCH history ofRead More compulsive dishonesty.
Michael Hindin May 23, 2013 at 01:02 pm
People in general have a very difficult time discussing race. I nave gone to interestingRead More presentations sponsored by the St Paul Foundation. (https://www.facingrace.org/) Good people who are trying to understand are often afraid of saying the wrong thing. It takes a lot of patience and tolerance to engage in this conversation. It is often difficult to realize that even though many of our generation did not set up the situation, there are still many advantages built into being in the racial majority and change is painful.
Dan Johnson June 4, 2013 at 10:23 am
The divide of race has been America's constant curse. Each new wave of immigrants gives new targetsRead More to old prejudices. Prejudice and contempt, cloaked in the pretense of religious or political conviction, are no different. They have nearly destroyed us in the past. They plague us still. They fuel the fanaticism of terror. They torment the lives of millions in fractured nations around the world. These obsessions cripple both those who are hated and, of course, those who hate, robbing both of what they might become.” Bill Clinton
rob_h78 April 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm
After reading the comment from "RP45241", I went to www.greatschools.com and looked upRead More Washburn High School vs Wayzata High School (that is in Plymouth) and was shocked. These kids really gotta study more and they need every minute possible to study - they literally cannot afford a minute of not being in a classroom learning. http://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/minneapolis/1320-Washburn-Senior-High-School/?tab=test-scores http://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/plymouth/2228-Wayzata-High-School/?tab=test-scores Just a few examples of percentage of students meeting\exceeding standards: Math: Washburn 41% Wayzata 81% State Average 58% Reading: Washburn: 67% Wayzata 94% State Average 77% Science: Washburn 40% Wayzata 77% State Average 52% Yikes!!!
Jim Flaherty April 17, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Shame on the school district. It seems that one person is under investigation for possible misdoingsRead More and a bunch of students protest the possibility of his termination by skipping school. When the Principal follows policy and marks the protesters records with an unexcused absence she gets reassigned (fired). What the school should have taught the students is that the person under investigation is in a Union and will most likely be fine unless that person really messed up. That the Principal is not in a Union and will most likely loss her job for doing the correct thing, because the union has more power than the school district. What a lesson to teach, do the wrong thing and get rewarded and do the right thing and get punished. Good job Washburn.
Heyitsme April 17, 2013 at 07:21 pm
Skipping is skipping and unexcused absences are unexcused absences; protest after or before school.Read More That is what we did. (on the public sidewalk, so the school couldn't say they are trespassing). We had a favorite bus driver that was fired by the school board for a really stupid reason (it has been over 30 years ago) and students were upset and we protested before and after school. If you were not where you were supposed to be by the time class started you were marked down as unexcused absence. Teachers have a job to do and students have a job to do. Free speech is still allowed but operate under the school (and state) education rules.