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Boundary Changes, Political Leaks and Walmart: Feedback Friday

The most thoughtful, moving, controversial or just plain funny comments from around the west metro between Oct. 5 and Oct. 11.

Each week, Patch users contribute numerous insights, opinions and observations. The following is a collection of the most thoughtful, moving, controversial or just plain funny comments that appeared on Patch sites in Eden Prairie, Edina, Golden Valley, Hopkins, Minnetonka, Richfield, Shakopee, Plymouth, St. Louis Park and St. Michael. Click on the headline to read the full story and join in the conversation.

(The comments below are not meant to reflect the opinions of Patch or its staff.)

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Edina Property Owners Stuck in School District Boundary Limbo

After handing off more than 400 signed petitions for detachment to the Hopkins School District, the members of Unite Edina 273 are stuck playing the waiting game.

The group of Edina property owners have been working to switch their homes from the Hopkins School District to Edina for quite some time now, both by talking with the two districts and by lobbying the state Legislature.

The petitions are actually addressed to the Hennepin County Board of Commissioners, though current statute requires consent from the detaching school district before the matter can go to the county. The group hopes to officially file those petitions with Hennepin County later this month, meaning a hearing could take place before the end of the year.

Patch user Kimm R. Kraai said she believes residents should have freedom to switch school districts if they're unhappy with their child's education:

If the Hopkins School District cannot maintain standards high enough to retain a majority of students from certain neighborhoods, they should not be allowed to prevent that neighborhood from detaching. With open enrollment available and several neighboring districts providing substantially better levels of instruction (resulting in better opportunities for students) the families in these neighborhoods will continue to seek alternative public and private options for their children. 

The point that Cathy Ovsak makes is true. Property values do increase inside of certain districts. In fact, many of the people who own homes in the Hopkins district were willing to pay a premium price simply to be in the district because it was considered the "gold standard" in this part of the metro at the time that they purchased their home. When a whole neighborhood is in agreement about detaching, whether it is about property values or school district preferance, the residents of the neighborhood and the preferred school district should be able to make that decision, not the current school district, especially in the case where the residents live in the city of the school district that they would like to be attached. 

Full disclosure: We specifically bought our MTKA home because it was in the Hopkins District. After 2 years, we open enrolled our student to MTKA schools, as have many of our neighbors. Families shouldn't be punished for the choices of the school board and superintendent.

Meanwhile, reader Amy M wondered why the Edina residents were surprised by their district of residence:

I ask this.... These boundary lines for the school district are not new, why did these families move into this area and now dispute where their property tax dollars go? Why did they not purchase homes within the Edina school district lines if their intention was to send their children there? Does this mean that all property taxes for all out of district children be sent to the school district they now attend?? This sure sets up some interesting challenges/questions for our out of district open enrollment throughout our state doesn't it?

Tonight: Public Meeting At Four Seasons Mall

Walmart held a public meeting Oct. 10 at the nearly empty Four Seasons Mall off Highway 169 and Rockford Road in Plymouth. Many residents attended, but before the meeting sounded off on what they thought if the company built on the property it owns.

RD Taylor wrote in opposition to having not just Walmart, but any kind of superstore at that location:

I live just off Pilgrim Lane, about three blocks from the mall. Anyone who thinks "most traffic" will exit to Rickford Road is fooling themselves. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows a secret back route though a quiet neighborhood somewhere, to avoid dealing with traffic and/or poorly timed stop lights. Pilgrim Lane will become the de facto escape hatch for frustrated drivers trying to get back to 169.

It is not a "Walmart" I am opposed to. It is 170,000 square foot superstore, of any flavor, I oppose. It is entirely, I repeat ENTIRELY, inappropriate for that location. What city planner or city council person could honestly look at such a proposal for that site and say, "Yea, that's a great use for that piece of land."

I'm sure the folks in western Plymouth think this will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, if it goes through, I hope you enjoy the property tax hike to cover the loss of value that will impact the entire Pilgrim lane neighborhood.

DFL Directed Journalist to GOP Challenger’s Court Records

Patch found out that the Minnesota DFL is responsible for alerting a local news outlet about a dismissed 2006 temporary restraining order against 5th District GOP challenger Chris Fields.

Emily B thought it reflected badly on the state of politics:

As someone who plans to vote for Keith, I find it incredibly disappointing that the DFL didn't keep this info to themselves. It is irrelevant to the election and its rather distracting, not to mention that the polls show this type of low level campaigning is not necessary - not that I ever personally support trash campaigning from either side - but Keith has quite a lead, so I just find this sad. Honestly, this is one of the reason I have never and won't ever contribute financially to any party or politician.

UPDATE: Authorities Release Name of Man Killed In Officer-Involved Shooting

After a man was shot and killed by Richfield police on Oct. 5, some readers accused Richfield officers of being "trigger happy" while others defended the department.

One reader, only identifying himself as RFS, went beyond the deadly incident and alleged the City of Richfeld and the Richfield Police Department was a little shady:

why are there no black police officers in richfield? they usually on have 1 token woman? the turn over rate of rookie cops is high! what's there problem? the only ones around are the ones w seniority probably so they can hurry up retire & collect there pension!!! I think they discriminate! look @ the other employees you see wkg for the city. you very rarely see anyone other than white people. even the road crews! If there are minorities, where are you hiding them, or are you just hiring the minimum? Seems suspicious to me!

HSUS President's Visit Concerns Some Minnesota Farmers

On Oct. 9, Humane Society of the United States President Wayne Pacelle visited Golden Valley's Animal Humane Society to talk about his new book and address other local animal care issues, like the treatment of animals raised for food and Minnesota's wolf hunt. Pacelle's views of animal agriculture had some animal agriculture leaders concerned that he was give the wrong message to listeners and consumers.

The Humane Society of the United States and an egg farming trade association are currently trying to pass federal legislation that would require farmers to expand laying hen cage sizes.

Britt had this to say about the legislation:

If the legislation passes I hope we don't see all of the small family farms close up shop. It is a daunting task for the next generation in the egg business to figure out how to obtain the money necessary to complete the production changes laid out in the legislation. Egg farmers just want to provide safe, quality, wholesome eggs to America's families.

Letter: 'We Have A Clear Choice In This Election'

Jeff Simon of Eden Prairie submitted a letter to the editor supporting candidates running for election on the Eden Prairie City Council, Minnesota House and Minnesota Senate races that he said are conservatives. 

Michael Altieri said in response:

Mr. Simon hits it right on the head with his opinion piece. A few years back we attended the 4th of July events on Lake Bemidji. We were camping with a large group so there was a mixture of those that lean left and those that lean right. As we entered the area where the rides and games were, I heard one of our group say "Look at all the diversity of the poeple in the crowd". This told me all I needed to know. Where she saw the differences in people all I saw was people. That is the problem with those on the left. They want to group us into catagories against each other. White vs Black, Men vs Women, Young vs Old, Rich vs Poor, Gay vs Straight. By seperating people into different catagories they can then start using the old "victimization" argument and thus make the case the there has to be more government intervention to keep the playing field level. Both my Mother and Father legally immigrated to the US in the 1930's to flee the rise of Facism. They both knew that freedom was the only answer for them and the family of six children they were to adopt. I support those candidates who beleive in the the 4660 words in the Constitution of the United States. That is why I support Councilmen Aho, former Councilman Duckstad, Rep Loon, Rep Stensrud, Sen Hahn, Kurt Bills and Mitt Romney.

City Still Negotiating With Property Owners Over Highway 7 Land

The city of St. Louis Park is still negotiating with seven property owners over land needed to build a new Highway 7 bridge over Louisiana Avenue. If all goes smoothly, construction could start next spring, with the bridge opening by fall of 2014.

Guy Davidson questions whether all of this is worth the effort:

I'm not totally convinced anything needs to be done at all there... Someone else must be in a hurry.. its just a stoplight in my mind. Am I missing something?

Presidential Debate: What Would You Ask Obama and Romney?

If you have a question for the candidates, submit it in the comments section below and it could be asked during the televised Oct. 16 Town Hall Presidential Debate.

Minnetonka Patch readers had some great questions, like this on from Patricia Kerekes:

According to Federal News Radio, the U.S. government agencies spent $135 billion in 2008 on cost-plus type contracts and this number has continued to increase. What will each candidate do to remedy this as a cost saving measure for the American people?

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barb June 19, 2013 at 11:01 am
The craft fair for this sat at Hopkins Activity Center has been cancelled more details in July.
James Warden (Editor) June 17, 2013 at 05:44 pm
For those who need some help dealing with coyotes, here are some tips from a national expert whoRead More visited the west metro in March: http://stlouispark.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/coyote-tips
Mike B. June 19, 2013 at 11:40 am
Coyotes are a welcome addition to the local landscape. I get a kick out of people who "run forRead More the hills" when they see these neat animals. Rarely, if ever, has a coyote attacked a human being.
Cathi Hansen June 18, 2013 at 01:13 pm
What area of Hopkins? That might help narrow down the area to look in....
Mary Ellen Dower June 8, 2013 at 10:48 am
I will be there too with knit baby sweaters, hats and ponchos! Mary Ellen Knits Gifts
Mary Ellen Dower June 8, 2013 at 11:13 am
And wool felted slippers too! Mary Ellen Knits Gifts
Orono June 7, 2013 at 02:29 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This guy is closer to communist than he is to democrat.
Orono May 21, 2013 at 08:53 pm
Mike B. The liberal belief system puts the job of caring for the needy on the government. JesusRead More said, love thy neighbor as thy self. I do a very poor job of loving my neighbor but the one thing I do try and do is give back. My wife and I give between 15 and 17% every year. We have been blessed with financial success and try keep that in mind every day. Also though, we give ourselves. Giving yourself to a cause is better (in my opinion) than just giving money. We give money because we can, we give our time because we should. I have a few liberal friends working beside me for our causes but, in general, the majority of us are all conservatives. Mark Dayton is a classic example of how the liberal mind works. Give the government the money, let them deal with those losers.
Mike B. June 1, 2013 at 03:29 pm
The Democrats are 100% responsible for increasing poverty in the state. Dayton and his DemocratRead More lackeys and cronies are driving out all of the job producers in Minnesota with their socialist, anti-business policies.
Sue June 5, 2013 at 09:14 am
Consider this- the (unelected) Met Council controls everything from parks, to trails, to transit, toRead More waste water. If a city wants to do anything they have to work with the Met Council and one of the FAVORITE expectations is that cities ADD "AFFORDABLE" or - Section 8 housing. While the recession hit the suburbs hard - the biggest influx or poor - are the indigenous poor into free housing
mike savick June 9, 2013 at 09:46 am
"Mike B" continues to look in the mirror and post about others. Emails show the Mr.Read More Hindin offered to produce his Minnesota drivers license at any west metro police station. The compulsively dishonest Mike B thing declined.
Michael Hindin June 9, 2013 at 10:03 am
Mike B. posted June 8, 2013 at 08:58 pm "The best one can hope for is that the jewishRead More (sic)person and the muslim (sic) will tolerate one another. Hard to tell what side is most at fault. Can't say I trust either one.... neither has what we would call Western Civilization values. "......NEITHER HAS WHAT WE WOULD CALL WESTERN CIVILIZATION VALUES"??? (Capitalization for emphasis) Without the contributions of Jews and Arab Muslims you would be still in the Dark Ages worshiping golden cows and there wouldn't be your version of "western civilization" Do I really have to remind you of a Jewish carpenter. Bearing false witness is prohibited by all Abrahamic religions.
Corinne June 10, 2013 at 05:25 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling
Orono June 3, 2013 at 02:18 pm
I totally agree with both points. Republicans have zero business deciding social issues. Democrats,Read More as Mark Dayton just proved, have zero business deciding important adult decisions that deal with finances and taxes.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:07 pm
Orono. You seem to assume my on-line fight for equal rights is a reflection of my entire life. ItRead More isn't. I've missed a few days, as I was kayak camping, without electronics. It also seems you are repeating the mistake of comparing atrocities, and then dismissing as irrelevant the one that seems less severe. This misses the point that no atrocities are acceptable. As I have stated repeatedly, all religions, as well as non-religious belief systems, promote the Golden Rule. Different sects of all of those religions also find excuses to ignore it. No matter what the belief system claimed as an excuse for anti-gay prejudice, refusing to treat others as you would yourself is a violation of every major ethical belief system, as well as a violation of the promise of equality in our founding documents and required by the constitution. Any person who espouses any belief system that requires hating and harming others, has earned the label of "hater". Having a belief system is not a virtue when it requires harming others. Yet, again, not all prejudice requires hate. It may be a result of a lack of careful consideration of the information, or simply a distrust of others who seem different in some way.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:08 pm
Orono. You said: "I hate liberalism." We have stated you are free to hate if and as youRead More want. But neither you, me, nor MB should be allowed to use hate as a justification for refusing to treat others as you would yourself under the law. MB makes it clear, he would use the law to harm all gay people severely, based on his hate.
Dan Johnson June 12, 2013 at 07:28 pm
Donald. Again, you resort to mischaracterizing Joyce's comment in order to support your desire toRead More reinstate discrimination in the public square. Tyrannies result when discrimination based on your choice of being offended, is allowed under the law. This is the reason the Golden Rule is found in every major ethical belief system as well as a requirement of our system of government. Your desire to harm others based on your personal beliefs, does not extend to the public square. Again, segregation is only one of many examples of the atrocities that result when prejudice and discrimination are enshrined in the law. As you said yourself, the law is needed for protection of equal rights when someone is offended, not when they are not.
Susan June 9, 2013 at 07:25 pm
Mike B., you must really be bored if you had to come back to this... I attack the ideology andRead More people that want to decide for everyone how they should live their lives. You know, those who would condemn or persecute those wanting something different that, BTW, is granted to them by way of living in a free country. It's time to try some new material, Mike, this is really getting old and tired.
fb.com/WCwatchdog June 16, 2013 at 03:42 am
I ride a sport bike... can I also have 130 miles of track to ride on in Woodbury like the bikers?...Read More oh wait... that's right, I have to put my bike in my truck, drive 130 miles to the nearest track, pay $150 in track fees, just to ride... Bicyclists, you don't know how good you have it with your completely free paved bike paths.
Mike B. June 19, 2013 at 11:05 am
fb... you are correct... The Lance Armstrong-wannabes demand (they don't ask; they are that type ofRead More obnoxious people) that all taxpayers pay for bike paths at astronomical costs per mile.
Michael Hindin May 23, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Simple answer G Wright is that "Mike B" manufactures it. IT has PATCH history ofRead More compulsive dishonesty.
Michael Hindin May 23, 2013 at 01:02 pm
People in general have a very difficult time discussing race. I nave gone to interestingRead More presentations sponsored by the St Paul Foundation. (https://www.facingrace.org/) Good people who are trying to understand are often afraid of saying the wrong thing. It takes a lot of patience and tolerance to engage in this conversation. It is often difficult to realize that even though many of our generation did not set up the situation, there are still many advantages built into being in the racial majority and change is painful.
Dan Johnson June 4, 2013 at 10:23 am
The divide of race has been America's constant curse. Each new wave of immigrants gives new targetsRead More to old prejudices. Prejudice and contempt, cloaked in the pretense of religious or political conviction, are no different. They have nearly destroyed us in the past. They plague us still. They fuel the fanaticism of terror. They torment the lives of millions in fractured nations around the world. These obsessions cripple both those who are hated and, of course, those who hate, robbing both of what they might become.” Bill Clinton
rob_h78 April 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm
After reading the comment from "RP45241", I went to www.greatschools.com and looked upRead More Washburn High School vs Wayzata High School (that is in Plymouth) and was shocked. These kids really gotta study more and they need every minute possible to study - they literally cannot afford a minute of not being in a classroom learning. http://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/minneapolis/1320-Washburn-Senior-High-School/?tab=test-scores http://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/plymouth/2228-Wayzata-High-School/?tab=test-scores Just a few examples of percentage of students meeting\exceeding standards: Math: Washburn 41% Wayzata 81% State Average 58% Reading: Washburn: 67% Wayzata 94% State Average 77% Science: Washburn 40% Wayzata 77% State Average 52% Yikes!!!
Jim Flaherty April 17, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Shame on the school district. It seems that one person is under investigation for possible misdoingsRead More and a bunch of students protest the possibility of his termination by skipping school. When the Principal follows policy and marks the protesters records with an unexcused absence she gets reassigned (fired). What the school should have taught the students is that the person under investigation is in a Union and will most likely be fine unless that person really messed up. That the Principal is not in a Union and will most likely loss her job for doing the correct thing, because the union has more power than the school district. What a lesson to teach, do the wrong thing and get rewarded and do the right thing and get punished. Good job Washburn.
Heyitsme April 17, 2013 at 07:21 pm
Skipping is skipping and unexcused absences are unexcused absences; protest after or before school.Read More That is what we did. (on the public sidewalk, so the school couldn't say they are trespassing). We had a favorite bus driver that was fired by the school board for a really stupid reason (it has been over 30 years ago) and students were upset and we protested before and after school. If you were not where you were supposed to be by the time class started you were marked down as unexcused absence. Teachers have a job to do and students have a job to do. Free speech is still allowed but operate under the school (and state) education rules.